Accident UIA B738 at Tehran on Jan 8th 2020, lost height after departure, aircraft shot down by Iran's armed forces

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Paranoia se referă la sentimentele de lipsă de încredere, suspiciune sau persecuţie care nu se bazează pe realitate
Vrei sa spui ca Iran este un stat lipsit de amenintari, in conditiile in care un inalt membru al guvernului este ucis cu drona pe teritoriul sau de catre o putere ostila?
Nu e prima oara in conflicte cand oameni sunt ucisi in friendly fire.

Exemple nuumai din razboilul din Irak:

  • In the Battle of Nasiriyah, an American force of Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAVs) and infantry under intense enemy fire were misidentified as an Iraqi armored column by two U.S. Air Force A-10s who carried out bombing and strafing runs on them. 18 were killed as a result.
    [*]A U.S. Patriot missile shot down a British Panavia Tornado GR.4A of No. 13 Squadron RAF, killing the pilot and navigator. Investigations showed that the Tornado's identification friend or foe indicator had malfunctioned and hence it was not identified as a friendly aircraft.[170][171]
    [*]Sgt Steven Roberts, a tank commander of the 2nd Royal Tank Regiment, was killed when a fellow British soldier manning a tank-mounted machine gun mistakenly hit him while firing at a stone wielding Iraqi protester at a roadblock in Az Zubayr near Basra on 24 March 2003.[172] It was reported that no British soldiers were to be charged for his death.[173]
    [*]A British Challenger 2 tank came under fire from another British tank in a nighttime firefight. The turret was blown off and two of the crewmembers were killed.[174][175]
    [*]190th Fighter Squadron/Blues and Royals friendly fire incident – 28 March 2003. A pair of American A-10s from the 190th attacked four British armoured reconnaissance vehicles of the Blues and Royals, killing L/CoH. Matty Hull and injuring five others.
    [*]British Royal Marine Christopher Maddison was killed when his river patrol boat was hit by missiles after being wrongly identified as an enemy vessel approaching a Royal Engineers checkpoint on the Al-Faw Peninsula, Iraq.[176]
    [*]U.S. Patriot missile batteries fired two missiles on a U.S. Navy F/A-18C Hornet 50 mi (80 km) from Karbala, Iraq.[177] One missile hit the aircraft of pilot Lieutenant Nathan Dennis White of VFA-195, Carrier Air Wing Five, killing him. This was the result of the missile design flaw in identifying hostile aircraft.[178]
    [*]American aircraft attacked a friendly Kurdish & U.S. Special Forces convoy, killing 15. BBC translator Kamaran Abdurazaq Muhamed was killed and BBC reporter Tom Giles and World Affairs Editor John Simpson were injured. The incident was filmed.[179]
    [*]Fusilier Kelan Turrington, of the 1st Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, was killed by machine-gun fire from a British tank.[180]
    [*]American soldier Mario Lozano killed an Italian intelligence officer Nicola Calipari and is suspected of wounding Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena in Baghdad. Sgrena was rescued from a kidnapping by Calipari, and it was claimed that the car they were escaping in failed to stop at an American checkpoint, whereupon U.S. soldiers opened fire. Video evidence shows the car was respecting speed limits and proceeding with its headlights on. The shooting commenced well before 50 meters, in contrast with what Lozano and other soldiers testified.[181]
    [*]During a raid on 16 July 2006 to apprehend a key terrorist leader and accomplice in a suburb of North Basra, Cpl John Cosby, of the Devonshire and Dorset Regiment, was killed by a 5.56 mm round from a British-issued SA80. It was ruled to be a case of friendly fire by the coroner. It was reported that the British forces who shot him were unclear about the rules of engagement.[182][183]
    [*]An American airstrike killed eight Kurdish Iraqi soldiers. Kurdish officials advised U.S. helicopters hit the men who were guarding a branch of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) in Mosul. The U.S. military said the attack was launched after soldiers identified armed men in a bunker near a building reportedly used for bomb-making, and that American troops called for the men to put down their weapons in Arabic and Kurdish before launching the strike.[184]
    [*]Dave Sharrett, II was shot and killed in a firefight with insurgents near the village of Bichigan, north of Baghdad in January 2008, during Operation Hood Harvest. The incident has since been described as friendly fire.[185]
    [*][186]SPC Donald Oaks, SGT Todd Robbins,[187] and SFC Randall Rehn[188] of D Battery, 1st Battalion, 39th Field Artillery Regiment (MLRS, M270 A1), 3rd Infantry Division Artillery [189](Previously C Battery 3-13 FA [190]), were killed when a US fighter jet mistook the rocket artillery from US MLRS as enemy targets on 3 April 2003 while 3rd ID DIVARTY conducted a counter fire battle with Iraqi positions along the Euphrates River.[190] The ordnance struck the vehicles of the soldiers killing SFC Rehn instantly, while SGT Robbins[191] and SPC Oaks[192] died shortly after from their wounds. 5 other soldiers were WIA from the event.[193][194]
 
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Remarcabil si surprinzator ca au recunoscut....... alde Putin si Trump probabil nu ar fi recunoscut in ruptul capului.
 
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Vrei sa spui ca Iran este un stat lipsit de amenintari, in conditiile in care un inalt membru al guvernului este ucis cu drona pe teritoriul sau de catre o putere ostila?
Nu e prima oara in conflicte cand oameni sunt ucisi in friendly fire.
Pe teritoriul Iranului nu există la ora actuală niciun conflict.
Generalul ucis de americani se afla pe teritoriul Irakului, nu al Iranului (în plus, nu era membru al Guvernului, el nefiind ministrul apărării).
Iranul a recunoscut fiindcă situația era , probabil, evidentă. Și, nu uitați, marea majoritate a pasagerilor era de etnie iraniană (oficialii iranienii își cer scuze, în primul rînd, față de poporul lor)
 
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Pe teritoriul Iranului nu există la ora actuală niciun conflict.
 

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Cred că colegul @petschovschi se referă la faptul că nu există niciun conflict deschis în Iran, nu ce mănâncă US prin congres. ;)
 
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Corpul Gardienilor Revoluţiei din Iran şi-a asumat sâmbătă „responsabilitatea totală” pentru doborârea avionului ucrainean...
Amir Ali Hajizadeh a precizat că avionul Boeing a fost identificat în mod greşit drept rachetă de croazieră şi a fost doborât cu o rachetă cu rază scurtă.

Generalul a explicat că operatorul rachetei care a doborât avionul Boeing a deschis focul fără să fi putut obţine confirmarea unui ordin de tragere din cauza unui „bruiaj” de telecomunicaţii. Soldatul a luat avionul drept o rachetă de croazieră şi a avut 10 secunde pentru a decide. „Putea decide să tragă sau să nu tragă, (dar) a luat decizia greşită'”, a adăugat Hajizadeh.


Potrivit acestuia, „a fost vorba de o rachetă cu rază scurtă de acţiune care a explodat aproape de avion”, iar aceasta explică cum avionul a putut continua să zboare...
 
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tavi

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Apropo de asamblarea unei comisii de investigare, cum "ceruse" Iranul.

Experts said mounting international scrutiny would have made it all but impossible to hide signs of a missile strike in any investigation and Iran may have felt a U-turn was better than battling rising criticism abroad and growing grief and anger at home, as many victims were Iranians with dual nationality.
 

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Trudeau :
Comunitatea internaţională a fost „foarte, foarte clară cu privire la necesitatea de a avea un Iran denuclearizat” pe plan militar, dar şi de a „gestiona tensiunile din regiune care sunt provocate şi de acţiunile Statelor Unite”, a spus premierul Trudeau într-un interviu pentru canalul de televiziune Global, potrivit Agerpres.
Cred că dacă nu ar fi existat tensiuni şi o escaladare recentă în regiune, aceşti canadieni ar fi fost în acest moment acasă cu familiile lor”, a adăugat premierul Trudeau, referindu-se la cei 57 de canadieni care şi-au pierdut viaţa în accident.
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Niște idioți care nu au absolut nicio scuză, oricât de paranoici ar fi fost.
 
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Asta arata si o vulnerabilitate maricica a propriilor sisteme de aparare, atat timp cat indivizii au presupus ca un obiect zburator inamic ar fi putut penetra nedectat atat de adanc in propriul teritoriu (sigur, asta daca nu decizia respectiva ar fi fost luata din alte considerente).